Python Programming Language :: which "GUI module" you suggest me to use?


	which "GUI module" you suggest me to use? Hi to all... I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to "put a piece of a web-page in a widget" how can I do? which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under Linux... there's some other modules? Hi! Only under Win: PLUIE (http://ponx.org/ponx/guie) This GUI is natively HTML. -- @-salutations Michel Claveau On Jun 5, 2:57 pm, ZioMiP <m@fastwebnet.it> wrote: > Hi to all... > I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to "put a piece of a > web-page in a widget" how can I do? > which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? > or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? > I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... > I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under > Linux... there's some other modules? Maybe you can try Tkhtml. It supports both Windows and Linux. Simon > I know that WxPython work only under Windows Hmm, there seems to be some disparity between what you know and the truth... WxPython works everywhere (Windows, Linux, MacOS), and it works well. Also, it has web widgets that come standard (wx.html.HtmlWindow). Matt Matimus ha scritto: >> I know that WxPython work only under Windows > Hmm, there seems to be some disparity between what you know and the > truth... > WxPython works everywhere (Windows, Linux, MacOS), and it works well. > Also, it has web widgets that come standard (wx.html.HtmlWindow). > Matt Thanks for this ^_^ so I think I'll try to migrate to wx ZioMiP je napisao/la: > Hi to all... > I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to "put a piece of a > web-page in a widget" how can I do? > which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? > or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? > I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... > I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under > Linux... there's some other modules? have you considered using qt, i.e., pyqt, pyqwt? unlike wx, qt draws its own icons... In article <p%k9i.8712$BU3.5@tornado.fastwebnet.it>, ZioMiP <m@fastwebnet.it> wrote: >Hi to all... >I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to "put a piece of a >web-page in a widget" how can I do? >which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? >or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? >I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... >I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under >Linux... there's some other modules? ? wxPython is available for Linux and Mac OS X. PyGTK is available for Windows. Apparently you want to embed Web content in a Tkinter widget. There are several ways to do this. Do you need a live browser, or is it enough to render HTML? Cameron Laird ha scritto: - Hide quoted text - > In article <p%k9i.8712$BU3.5@tornado.fastwebnet.it>, > ZioMiP <m@fastwebnet.it> wrote: >> Hi to all... >> I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to "put a piece of a >> web-page in a widget" how can I do? >> which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? >> or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? >> I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... >> I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under >> Linux... there's some other modules? > ? wxPython is available for Linux and Mac OS X. PyGTK is > available for Windows. > Apparently you want to embed Web content in a Tkinter widget. > There are several ways to do this. Do you need a live browser, > or is it enough to render HTML? I think is like a "live browser"... not only render HTML because the webpage got a bit of javascript inside... On 2007-06-05, ZioMiP <m@fastwebnet.it> wrote: > I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under > Linux... You 'know' wrong. wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets under Windows, so it won't look like a "normal" windows app. > there's some other modules? PyQt -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Xerox your lunch at and file it under "sex visi.com offenders"! On Jun 5, 4:17 pm, ZioMiP <m@fastwebnet.it> wrote: - Hide quoted text - > Cameron Laird ha scritto: > > In article <p%k9i.8712$BU3.5@tornado.fastwebnet.it>, > > ZioMiP <m@fastwebnet.it> wrote: > >> Hi to all... > >> I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to "put a piece of a > >> web-page in a widget" how can I do? > >> which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? > >> or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? > >> I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... > >> I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under > >> Linux... there's some other modules? > > ? wxPython is available for Linux and Mac OS X. PyGTK is > > available for Windows. > > Apparently you want to embed Web content in a Tkinter widget. > > There are several ways to do this. Do you need a live browser, > > or is it enough to render HTML? > I think is like a "live browser"... not only render HTML because the > webpage got a bit of javascript inside... Is this webpage untouchable, or is HTML rendering just a shortcut to avoid redesigning part of the app? If you need faithful rendering of an arbitrary webpage along with a Javascript runtime, that's a bigger issue, and you might want to look at some of the Mozilla tools, particularly XULRunner: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Building_XULRunner_with_Python Otherwise, wxPython's HTML widget or TkHtml should be fine -- your code will probably be easier to maintain and debug if you translate that bit of Javascript to Python (language constructs are similar, especially with xml.dom.minidom). On Jun 6, 12:13 pm, Eric <eric.talev@gmail.com> wrote: - Hide quoted text - > On Jun 5, 4:17 pm, ZioMiP <m@fastwebnet.it> wrote: > > Cameron Laird ha scritto: > > > In article <p%k9i.8712$BU3.5@tornado.fastwebnet.it>, > > > ZioMiP <m@fastwebnet.it> wrote: > > >> Hi to all... > > >> I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to "put a piece of a > > >> web-page in a widget" how can I do? > > >> which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? > > >> or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? > > >> I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... > > >> I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under > > >> Linux... there's some other modules? > > > ? wxPython is available for Linux and Mac OS X. PyGTK is > > > available for Windows. > > > Apparently you want to embed Web content in a Tkinter widget. > > > There are several ways to do this. Do you need a live browser, > > > or is it enough to render HTML? > > I think is like a "live browser"... not only render HTML because the > > webpage got a bit of javascript inside... > Is this webpage untouchable, or is HTML rendering just a shortcut to > avoid redesigning part of the app? If you need faithful rendering of > an arbitrary webpage along with a Javascript runtime, that's a bigger > issue, and you might want to look at some of the Mozilla tools, > particularly XULRunner: > http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/Building_XULRunner_with_Python > Otherwise, wxPython's HTML widget or TkHtml should be fine -- your > code will probably be easier to maintain and debug if you translate > that bit of Javascript to Python (language constructs are similar, > especially with xml.dom.minidom). You could also consider the use of Crunchy, and use the web page AS the GUI. -T In article <1181082196.630888.161@w5g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, - Hide quoted text - <montyphy@gmail.com> wrote: >ZioMiP je napisao/la: >> Hi to all... >> I'm actually using Tkinter for my GUI... but I need to "put a piece of a >> web-page in a widget" how can I do? >> which GUI module do you suggest me to use for do that? >> or which GUI module do you suggest me to use at all? >> I'm acutally using Windows Xp but I also use Linux... >> I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under >> Linux... there's some other modules? >have you considered using qt, i.e., pyqt, pyqwt? unlike wx, qt draws >its own icons... This completely loses me; what do you mean by "draw its own icon", and what does that have to do with rendering Web pages? ZioMiP a crit : ... > I think is like a "live browser"... not only render HTML because the > webpage got a bit of javascript inside... Does the rendering absolutely need to be in your own GUI ? Else you can use the webbrowser module and simply call user preffered browser to display data and run javascript. Less integrated, simpler to setup. Laurent. ok ok , thanks to everybody ^_^ This HTML page that I need to put in my GUI is a little page with JavaScript that run something like banners... not gif or animated gif... but text... text randomly choosen by a database that I can't control... so, I need to put this "piece of browser" for looking the page and let it do the rest... > This completely loses me; what do you mean by "draw its own icon", > and what does that have to do with rendering Web pages? maybe "draw its own icons" wasn't the best (or the most accurate way) of putting it. what i meant by that is this (from wikipedia): "Qt uses its own paint engine and controls. This makes the work of porting to other platforms easier because very few classes in Qt depended on the target platform. Qt used to emulate the native look of its intended platforms, which occasionally led to slight discrepancies where that emulation wasn't perfect. This, however, no longer applies because the latest versions of Qt use the native styles API of the different platforms to draw the Qt controls." what does that have to do with rendering web pages? have no idea. i just wanted to point out the main difference between qt and wx that he should be aware of. On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >> I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under >> Linux... > You 'know' wrong. > wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. wxPython emulates Gtk (though using some native widgets, it also uses some of its own) and in many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to decide whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the desktop are an issue for you. > PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets > under Windows, so it won't look like a "normal" windows app. Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 installer does this by default since a couple of months. -Samuel ZioMiP wrote: > I know that WxPython work only under Windows WxPython works everywhere for me. I have some screenshots from Windows 98 - Vista, Mac OSX, and Debian GNU/Linux... all running the exact same Python & wxPython code: http://filebox.vt.edu/users/rtilley/public/find_ssns/index.html On 2007-06-06, Samuel <newsgro@debain.org> wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under >>> Linux... >> You 'know' wrong. >> wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. > wxPython emulates Gtk What? On some platforms (Linux), wxPython _uses_ Gtk. I don't see how you could say it emulates it. > (though using some native widgets, it also uses some of its > own) and in many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. How can that be the case when wxPython is using Gtk? > If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to > decide whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the > desktop are an issue for you. wxPython looks completely native on Unix, because it's using a native widget set (Gtk). >> PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets >> under Windows, so it won't look like a "normal" windows app. > Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 > installer does this by default since a couple of months. That's good to know. -- Grant Edwards grante Yow! Hello? Enema Bondage? at I'm calling because I want visi.com to be happy, I guess ... On 6/6/07, Samuel <newsgro@debain.org> wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: > >> I know that WxPython work only under Windows and PyGTK work only under > >> Linux... > > You 'know' wrong. > > wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. > wxPython emulates Gtk (though using some native widgets, it also uses > some of its own) and in many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. > If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to decide > whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the desktop are an > issue for you. In the general case, wxWidgets wraps (not emulates) Gtk. I don't believe that there are any common controls left which are still emulated (maybe the list control? I'm not sure - I don't follow the bleeding edge of wx anymore). wxPython (as opposed to wxWidgets, the C++ core) has a sizeable library of custom controls as part of its standard lib. Most of these are owner-drawn for various reasons and often won't appear native (Andrea Gavin, probably the most prolific custom control author, works primarily on Windows). > > PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets > > under Windows, so it won't look like a "normal" windows app. > Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 > installer does this by default since a couple of months. That stretches the truth rather significantly. While the win32 theme does use the windows theme apis for drawing, it still has slightly different colors (especially window backgrounds and menus), and (more importantly) vastly and notably different behavior. Shortcuts are different, renderings are different, the Gtk drawing model is used instead of the windows one (leads to quite jarring repainting differences), different fonts, etc, etc. It looks okay in a screenshot but is clearly non-native and foreign in use. On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:43:35 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: > On 2007-06-06, Samuel <newsgro@debain.org> wrote: >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: >>> wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. >> wxPython emulates Gtk > What? On some platforms (Linux), wxPython _uses_ Gtk. I don't see how > you could say it emulates it. That may be true in some cases, but in fact, most widgets show some sort of difference. Take for example the HPaned - it looks totally different (the slider is a lot slimmer, plus moving it makes a line appear. The behavior is different as well). Even simple widgets show differences. Try triple-clicking into entry boxes, it's different from Gtk. >> (though using some native widgets, it also uses some of its own) and in >> many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. > How can that be the case when wxPython is using Gtk? Obviously, it does not always use Gtk. >> If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to decide >> whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the desktop are an >> issue for you. > wxPython looks completely native on Unix, because it's using a native > widget set (Gtk). Same as above. -Samuel On 6/6/07, Samuel <newsgro@debain.org> wrote: - Hide quoted text - > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 14:43:35 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: > > On 2007-06-06, Samuel <newsgro@debain.org> wrote: > >> On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 00:22:40 +0000, Grant Edwards wrote: > >>> wxPython works fine under Windows, Linux and OSX. > >> wxPython emulates Gtk > > What? On some platforms (Linux), wxPython _uses_ Gtk. I don't see how > > you could say it emulates it. > That may be true in some cases, but in fact, most widgets show some sort > of difference. Take for example the HPaned - it looks totally different > (the slider is a lot slimmer, plus moving it makes a line appear. The > behavior is different as well). I'm not familiar with any wxPython control called HPaned. There's a couple different types of splitter, the Gtk native one is wxSplitterWindow. The others are owner drawn with better or worse native appearance. Splitters are one of those things where everyone writes their own, like web frameworks. > Even simple widgets show differences. Try triple-clicking into entry > boxes, it's different from Gtk. Text boxes are absolutely native controls under gtk. > >> (though using some native widgets, it also uses some of its own) and in > >> many cases it looks non-native compared to Gtk. > > How can that be the case when wxPython is using Gtk? > Obviously, it does not always use Gtk. It always uses Gtk. Some people write or use custom controls, which may or may not have gtk native analogs. This isn't any different than using pygtk and writing custom widgets. - Hide quoted text - > >> If your target platform includes Unix systems, you'll have to decide > >> whether inconsistencies with the look and feel of the desktop are an > >> issue for you. > > wxPython looks completely native on Unix, because it's using a native > > widget set (Gtk). > Same as above. > -Samuel > -- > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:45:48 -0500, Chris Mellon wrote: > On 6/6/07, Samuel <newsgro@debain.org> wrote: > In the general case, wxWidgets wraps (not emulates) Gtk. I don't believe > that there are any common controls left which are still emulated (maybe > the list control? I'm not sure - I don't follow the bleeding edge of wx > anymore). See my other response. Also, the fact that Gtk widgets are used does not necessarily mean that the behavior is the same - you can still do all kinds of weird stuff by hooking into the callbacks. Some of the differences to Gtk were probably introduced to wx in order to have more consistent behavior over different platforms. > wxPython (as opposed to wxWidgets, the C++ core) has a sizeable library > of custom controls as part of its standard lib. Most of these are > owner-drawn for various reasons and often won't appear native (Andrea > Gavin, probably the most prolific custom control author, works primarily > on Windows). This affects the C++ core as well. aMule (which is written in CPP) is one particular complex example that exposes many of those problems when used on Linux. >> > PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets >> > under Windows, so it won't look like a "normal" windows app. >> Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 >> installer does this by default since a couple of months. > That stretches the truth rather significantly. While the win32 theme > does use the windows theme apis for drawing, it still has slightly > different colors (especially window backgrounds and menus), and (more > importantly) vastly and notably different behavior. Well, I have only tried Gaim on windows and could not tell the difference. But then, I am not a regular Windows user. > Shortcuts are > different, renderings are different, the Gtk drawing model is used > instead of the windows one (leads to quite jarring repainting > differences), different fonts, etc, etc. It looks okay in a screenshot > but is clearly non-native and foreign in use. Sounds bad. It also sounds much like what I experienced with wx on Linux. I guess there is no perfect solution, you always have to target one primary platform. (Well, there's SWT, but the Gtk emulation too has it's drawbacks...) -Samuel On 6/6/07, Samuel <newsgro@debain.org> wrote: > On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 09:45:48 -0500, Chris Mellon wrote: > > On 6/6/07, Samuel <newsgro@debain.org> wrote: > > In the general case, wxWidgets wraps (not emulates) Gtk. I don't believe > > that there are any common controls left which are still emulated (maybe > > the list control? I'm not sure - I don't follow the bleeding edge of wx > > anymore). > See my other response. Also, the fact that Gtk widgets are used does not > necessarily mean that the behavior is the same - you can still do all > kinds of weird stuff by hooking into the callbacks. Some of the > differences to Gtk were probably introduced to wx in order to have more > consistent behavior over different platforms. This is true and in the specific case of triple click, wx does indeed report them to the application differently than gtk does. This doesn't, to my knowledge, interfere with text controls that don't try to handle the click, but it may result in inconsistent behavior with an app that adds triple click behavior to it's own text controls. > > wxPython (as opposed to wxWidgets, the C++ core) has a sizeable library > > of custom controls as part of its standard lib. Most of these are > > owner-drawn for various reasons and often won't appear native (Andrea > > Gavin, probably the most prolific custom control author, works primarily > > on Windows). > This affects the C++ core as well. aMule (which is written in CPP) is one > particular complex example that exposes many of those problems when used > on Linux. the aMule team makes heavy use of their own custom written controls - issues with it are not necessarily representative of the toolkit. The C++ core has very few controls which are entirely custom drawn, and those are generally controls which don't exist in the native platform. - Hide quoted text - > >> > PyGTK works under Linux and Windows, but doens't use native widgets > >> > under Windows, so it won't look like a "normal" windows app. > >> Gtk on Win32 can be themed to looked like Windows, AFAIK the Win32 > >> installer does this by default since a couple of months. > > That stretches the truth rather significantly. While the win32 theme > > does use the windows theme apis for drawing, it still has slightly > > different colors (especially window backgrounds and menus), and (more > > importantly) vastly and notably different behavior. > Well, I have only tried Gaim on windows and could not tell the > difference. But then, I am not a regular Windows user. > > Shortcuts are > > different, renderings are different, the Gtk drawing model is used > > instead of the windows one (leads to quite jarring repainting > > differences), different fonts, etc, etc. It looks okay in a screenshot > > but is clearly non-native and foreign in use. > Sounds bad. It also sounds much like what I experienced with wx on Linux. I regularly use wxGTK and wxPython under linux with gnome (it's my sole desktop at home - I only use windows at work). The differences are orders of magnitude in severity. One common problem is that people use incorrect (but working on Windows) code and don't test under linux, it can cause similar issues. The toolkit is very strong on all platforms. Individual apps are often much less strong, because relatively view developers have access and motivation to test heavily on all platforms. wx tries to make correct code work the same on all platforms, but it can't make incorrect code fail the same way on all platforms. And, of course, many people simply aren't familiar with or choose not to use the APIs that wx provides for whatever reason. Custom controls that don't use native fonts are fairly common, for example, even though wx provides APIs to retrieve the correct fonts and the use of them is encouraged - people just hardcode whatever they "know" the right font is on their native platform.